Both are hightly recommended.
Curt also decided to step in the moldy fromage by reposting some of the exchanges here with the froggies. He also adds a list of French surrenders to flavor the discussion further.
And the Frenchies continue to weigh in with their puffed up empty and unwashed opinions in the comments sections below.
Update: A Tangled Web comes out with this report: French prisons worse than Abu Ghraib according to European Human Rights Commission:
Describing them as "dungeons"... "It is incredible that people are imprisoned in such conditions, without ventilation and without natural light. I have never seen a worse prison." Mr Gil-Robles, 60, an academic lawyer and Spain's former national ombudsman, spent 16 days in France last month inspecting prisons, detention centres and mental hospitals. (from The Telegraph)Hey, let's do the frogs a favor and let them eat their cake at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba... Seems our "gulag" really DOES seem like a holiday camp by comparison.